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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.04 23:26:00 -
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 Originally by: TamiyaCowboy
Jade: i can understand your opinions but surely they should be kept out of public view ?, pilots should look up too the CSM your our voice so ya'll say.
Hey don't blame me if somebody posts chatlogs from in-game channels onto the open forums. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I sometimes swear a lot on our alliance vent too and I'm not taking any responsibility for unauthorized recordings of that either.
Only stuff I'm on record with as chair of the CSM is the meeting text between me saying "meeting go" and "meeting end" and you can read all those chatlogs on jericho public forum at the moment.
As for the stuff in this log - I'm regretting absolutely nothing of the opinions I express as a private eve player relaxing with friends and allies. I pay for my subscription, I play the game between bouts of chairing the CSM and speak freely outside of formal duties as chair - so read, enjoy the drama, and get over it really.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.04 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Cant be much of a surprise after so many other examples of Jade's "personality".
One of the problems with keeping up momentum with a good smear campaign is ensuring you've got a steady supply of new material. Presents some problems in my case because they probably need to show I'm scammed billions, provoked a war in middle eastern country or have weapons of mass destruction hidden in my shed at this point or it kinda loses any real shock value.
For those that don't know the backstory btw. My alliance utterly obliterated Davlos' corp "Gilead's Bullet" and alliance "Kimotoro Directive" back in 2006 during a conflict called the "mito war" and he's been a little bitter ever since.
Any long term eve player picks up these bitter stalkers and so the occasional bit of forum drama is very much expected. Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game might get elected as CSM chair for the inaugural session. Eve is full of little ironies.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game might get elected as CSM chair for the inaugural session. Eve is full of little ironies.
So you're openly admitting to griefing other players as well now?
Aren't you supposed to be a pirate or something? 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Like I said in the other thread, I can't speak for Davlos, but the fact you keep bringing up the Mito incident is only proof of your egotistical nature. You have no evidence to suggest that I am upset about the Neocom or anything else, nor Davlos. For shit's sake it has been two years, and I was not remotely affected by your campaign in the area.
Hey Kyoko its not my fault that you guys are all still bitter about it and have congregated in Veto to continue your annoyances and impotent furies about losing wars in the past. Pretty much everyone in the RP community knows that Davlos went seriously off the rails post Mito and you certainly went pretty funny when you felt that SF had stomped on your pre-written storyline of black rabbits vs Kimotoro. What is amusing though is that most of the eve public won't have any idea about the original foundations and root causes of all this feuding but if people people do a little digging the evidence is all there.
Basically ANY thread like this one needs to be considered in the context of past feuds. Thats eve - thats the single server environment and thats IC politics.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
ah so that's why you didn't want CSM members e-mails and chat logs to be public :P meh I'm on the fence I don't care for you, I don't hate you. I just care about the CSM.
Well its a serious point really. Everyone needs privacy to let off steam. I don't trust people who claim never to get angry - its just not a human trait. We have CSM duties (like the formal meetings) there we have to be professional and behave appropriately - we get judged on that kind of on the record chatlog. But its ridiculous to have paparazzi spooks following people into chat channels and producing chatlogs to try and scandalize the public. Complain about if I was saying that stuff in Jita local by all means, but there is a time and a place and everyone needs a place to relax with friends.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
"Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't.
I said we griefed his "corp" out of the game. Once he quit his corp we left him alone. We have no interest in greifing individual players - we do however have a clear and present in-game motive to attack and destroy nationalist corporations and alliances. Try harder Verone this is getting a bit desperate now.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I only quoted what you said mate, griefing people out of the game because you don't like them just isn't cricket.
You deceitfully misquoted and editorialized actually. But hey, its your reputation.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I quoted exactly what you posted, which was that you openly said you griefed people (Davlos' corporation) out of the game.
I said we griefed his nationalist corp out of the game.
You tried to claim some higher moral ground by claiming we were griefing individuals players out of game.
You didn't quote me accurately because you couldn't. So this is what you've come down to now Verone? Trying to wriggle in criticisms that the CSM chair is a dirty griefer lol, you're a laughing stock. But do continue its so desperate its a bit amusing. Keep these threads coming, sooner or later you might find something to stick.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I'm not trying to put criticism on you as being a griefer, I'm simply aknowledging the fact that you admitted you "griefed people out of the game", those are your own words. Read the EULA and you'll find that open and deliberate griefing, regardless of scale whether it be one, or many people isn't cricket.
I suggest you answer Tatsue's post above. You were being deliberately deceitful and you have been caught out.
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I'll say again, I've tried to help you in the past, unfortunately YOU chose the route of throwing personal insults around.
You have never been in the least bit helpful in anyway to me or my corporation or the resolution of past disputes Verone. About the only thing I've ever seen from you is image post trolling in chatsubo.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
So the fact that I contacted yourself, and archbishop in an attempt to sort out differences between you two has totally slipped your mind then? Fair enough.
Your attempted intervention failed utterly as I recall because of your partiality and bias. The problem between myself and Archbishop was resolved ultimately by one to one dialogue without any involvement of yours. But keep patting yourself on the head for non-existent accomplishments if it bolsters your ego Verone.
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As for the response to Tatsue's post, it's the same as the response to yours. I quoted you directly, after you openly said you'd griefed people out of the game. It's not my problem if you take what I say out of context, however as leader of the CSM, it is YOUR problem if the playerbase takes YOUR posting out of context.
Hitting a corporate/alliance entity so hard in war that all its players leave can be considered "griefing" of course. But thats eve. Thats how wars are won. The argument over this point is that you have attempted to twist my statement about destroying Davlos' old corp into some half-assed accusation about griefing individuals. You refuse to address Tatsue because you cannot address tatue but you are entirely incapable of admitting you are wrong. Hence evasion and bluster is the only option.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/08/2008 01:15:31
No Verone you didn't and thats the problem:
I wrote:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game ...
You wrote:
Originally by: Verone
Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't."
I've underlined the important bits for you.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
By "griefing his corporation" out of the game, you griefed someone out of the game.
I fail to see what you're hinting at other than trying to put a vague argument across to save face based on preference of grammar use.
You are being very disingenuous - almost as if you've never seen a corporation utterly destroyed in Eve before and all the players take their characters onto new corps and alliances elsewhere? We cannot actually destroy characters finally. We can destroy corporations (by forcing all their members to leave). One is aimed at destroying a game construct (the corporation). There is absolutely no "face" to save here from my point of view Verone. I'm very proud of what we accomplished to crushing the Caldari Nationalists in the Kimotoro Directive. It was a great achievement for our alliance at that time. Davlos' character was a victim of war and saw his corp burn and fled the warzone to go onto other things - amongst them membership of your corp I note.
Still this is eve. Its a dark and dangerous universe and such things happen. As for your motivation for these threads Verone I don't pretend to know your mind. If you want to keep stalking its your choice.
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